I can't believe the number of posts! Not many were on the topic which I think is really the crux of the disagreement.
I had a great summer. The Olympics were amazing as was China. Really had a blast. Came back and got some more surfing in and then took delivery on a new boat for the kids. OMG! What a blast! They were ripping hanging out on the trapeze.
I see that Epic finally is puttering allomng with some banner ads. Now that they're advertising they should really invite the banned back. Controversy and excitement is how you not only break through to new ideas but also how you attract more eyeballs.
HHV (Harald Harb Envy)....it's a disease that seems to infect the pin chasers especially the ones on Epic. Interesting that those are the PSIA crowd that also lack real skiing skills.
Flexon keeps harping about what a real skier is. For me I know them when I see them. I know I ahvenm't seen any that are part of the Epic crew.
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«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 367 of 367Brilliant post. How does anyone from Epic tell someone who skied on the World Cup that he followed the wrong path? The stupidity of Epic is amazing.
Amazing post. How does anyone from PMtS explain why they have branded a patented move that WC skiers use. Yet there have not been any quotes from current WC skiers that use this so-called move.
The idiocy of PMtS is astounding.
.....And not suprising so. As this is what is to be expected from such an inferior forum.
Crikey!, Whoever keeps writing this is obviously a bit slow, not exactly the sharpest tool in the shed poor soul, so his/her reading comprehension skills are not quite there. Maybe a picture will help him/her see the move, assuming he/she just can't spell and Fantom means Phantom in the P.M.T.S.
Would someone maybe post a link to a sequence or video of some W.C. slalom gates and try to show him/her what the move is? I don't think Ott's description was comprehended either perhaps some old pictures showing the lighten and tip move would help show the origins of the moves that are so well described to the discerning ski public in the P.M.T.S. literature.
Are you frigging retarded or what.
I can post a picture of anyone on my website, and say that htey are doing a movment that I just invented. Even though they do not know that they are doing that movement.
Are ya following me. Or do I need to s---p----e-----l------l it more slowly.
I am looking for a qoute from a current WC skier acknowledging that he/she uses this so called movement -phantom turn- by that name.
Get it.
>>>Hey Ott, what your the intent with diverging inside ski?<<<
As I said, it is to gain a higher line. A skier who is carving a turn and as he is finishing the turn finds himself heading too far downhill can do one of two things: either slide his ski tail around which is a braking move thus losing speed, or he can keep his edges engaged and diverge/scissor his inside ski and lunge forward and onto the little toe edge of the inside ski and at the same time retract the other ski and tip it which has the effect of rolling the weighted ski from the little toe edge to the big toe edge and immediately start carving.
Balance is never established over the diverged ski but the forward move during weight change is needed to avoid being in the back seat at edge change.
The skier is now heading more across the hill then he would have been had he just finished carving his turn and can attack the next gate without being late.
It really is a common maneuver with racers.
....Ott
Ott, back in the day was the movement a lift and tip?
Ott, ignore previous post, did not see your answer above.
I do not understnad the fixatoin on the fantom name. The movement matters. The name not.
>>>>It really is a common maneuver with racers.<<<<
I never see this one.
...I never see this one<<<
With the advent of the modern ski the need to use this turn has diminished but you can bet that it will be used when needed.
Here is a description from Ski-Jungle.com which may say it better. It is mentioned in the context of 7 advanced turns:
....Ott
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SHORT TURN WITH LATERAL PROJECTION (RACING STEP TURN)
This manoeuvre is restricted to skiing slalom gates, but hopefully you are going to practise through gates whenever you can, aren't you?
Lateral projection in a slalom course is used to gain height as well as to accelerate. It is made immediately after the edge set on the lower ski, and is no more than a transfer of weight onto the uphill ski before it comes round into the fall line. It would not seem that a lot of height is gained, but on a steep slope the transfer from lower to upper ski can have a considerable effect if a racer is low in the gate (when combined with avalment), and in theory is more efficient. As we have seen on the long fast turns, if the weight stays on the uphill ski which then becomes the outside weighted ski in the turn, the edge change is going from one edge of this ski to the other. This makes for a smoother transition than from the edge of one ski to the edge of another.
Finally, to round off this chapter, we can couple this lateral projection with avalment, which allows the uphill ski to accelerate into the turn This involves the jet turn technique I mention below. The turn then becomes a short (step) jet turn with lateral projection and avalment. Interesting if a little complicated, huh?
Old school tech.
FACT -
Mr. Harb raced in his first WC race at the age of 18 with the Canadian National Ski Team.
FACT -
Mr. Harb was later the Overall Pro Ski Champion on the US Eastern Regional Circuit.
FACT -
Mr. Harb has extension coaching experience. Mr. Harb is a USSCA master coach.
FACT -
Mr. Harb was the program director for Glacier Creek Academy in Alaska, the program that developed Tommy Moe.
FACT -
Mr. Harb was a PSIA Examiner
FACT -
Mr. Harb spent four years on the PSIA Demo Team.
>>>>Old school tech<<<<
You bet. So what does a racer do when he is all maxed out in reverse camber and edge angle and tip hook and still is too low for the next gate? He steps up.Or he redirects in the air. (Or he skis out of the course).
....Ott
It does not sound like the lift and tip moved used today.
Lets get this sorted...
HH was on the Canadian technicalteam at a time when Canada was known for its speed specialists
Kind of like Eddie the Eagle was an olympic ski jumper isn't it?
Or being part of the Jamaican Bobsled team?
What were his WC results again?
Does phantom move include also active tipping of stance foot or only the tipping of free foot? I just read interesting book of Kalle Palander and he seems to be very active with both feet...
I'm just trying to figure out if WC skiers are really using phantom move as described by HH or not.
I could care less about his race results.
>>>Does phantom move include also active tipping of stance foot or only the tipping of free foot?<<<
My understanding is only the free foot is actively tipped. Can a PMTS expert confirm?
HH fixation continues. Ott knows that the step-up is different from the lift and tip "phantom foot" as used in PMTS. The friend continually asking for a quote from a racer knows that Harald never claimed to have invented the physical movement in question. The "phantom foot" is a phrase that is part of a teaching syllabus designed to get people to use and balance on their skis, dynamically. I'd rate the phrase as at least as effective as a teaching tool as golf's X-Factor as a result. Or course, if you loudly say enough times that PMTS has no validity unless a WC racer uses PMTS terminology, you can always hope to confuse a few people simply through persistence.
What were HH's results on the World Cup?
Or in FIS races?
They don't show up in the FIS register yet plenty of people older than HH show up.
I wonder why HH has no results showing?
As his claim to fame is being a WC skier surely he won't object posting his results sheet.
Come on HH put the results up.
I've wondered about this too. Surely some of the acolytes must have access to the results from HH's alleged WC career.
FACT -
Mr. Harb was later the Overall Pro Ski Champion on the US Eastern Regional Circuit.
HH fixation continues.
Not really my friend. Just trying to get to the truth and weed ou the BS. Kinda what his mission is.
Ott knows that the step-up is different from the lift and tip "phantom foot" as used in PMTS.
Ott has wisdom and speaks it for what it is. Nothing fancy.
The friend continually asking for a quote from a racer knows that Harald never claimed to have invented the physical movement in question. The "phantom foot" is a phrase that is part of a teaching syllabus designed to get people to use and balance on their skis, dynamically. I'd rate the phrase as at least as effective as a teaching tool as golf's X-Factor as a result. Or course, if you loudly say enough times that PMTS has no validity unless a WC racer uses PMTS terminology, you can always hope to confuse a few people simply through persistence.
I disagree with you here. I believe that he did claim to invent/discover the movement. As in all of his discussions he uses it exclusively for a branding of PMtS skiing. He is the one trying to confuse everybody, and with his persistance. Continually giving anything that doesn't eat,sleep or drink PMtS a bad name.
FACT -
Mr. Harb was later the Overall Pro Ski Champion on the US Eastern Regional Circuit.
Prove it. We need a link here.
Also, why your looking for that. See, if you can find a current WC skier. That uses this so-called Fantom turn.
>>>>I disagree with you here. I believe that he did claim to invent/discover the movement.<<<<
Link confirming this please.
FACT -
Mr. Harb was later the Overall Pro Ski Champion on the US Eastern Regional Circuit.
ROTFLMAO.....
So???????????????? that is hardly impressive. Eastern Regional?????? Ha ha.
Not good enough for Western? Or even in the running for National I guess. Hilarious, that this is your ski god.
What a loser.
Enlighten me. What is the "idiocy of PMTS" that "is astounding." What idiocies do PMTS certs show in their lessons or PMTS recreational skiers show on the slopes?
Which instructor in EpicSki management should I follow instead, and where's the video to convince me of her/his superiority to Mr. Harb?
Name and video, please.
>>>>What a loser.<<<<
WC racer, master race coach, PSIA examiner, Demo Team Member.
You label Mr. Harb a loser.
What does that make Bob Barnes, Nolo, and the others with lesser credentials?
"Are you frigging retarded or what."
I assume this is just poor grammar and you mean it as a question. In answer, I don't think so, I was able to progress through the normal education system. By the way, you should be grateful that you had some help with your 'special needs' and sort of learned to read and write a bit.
"I can post a picture of anyone on my website, and say that htey are doing a movment that I just invented. Even though they do not know that they are doing that movement."
You have a website? wow! could we have a link to it please. I'd love to have a look. Why would you post a picture there and say someone was 'doing a movment' that they don't know they are doing? That's just silly. Your website should be a great laugh.
"Are ya following me. Or do I need to s---p----e-----l------l it more slowly."
Again, assuming you don't know about question marks I'll take this as a question. The answer to this one is no, not really. You keep asking a question that has been answered by your betters in numerous ways, quite logically, and yet you don't seem to understand, hence the suggestion you try to calm down and look at a picture. No big words to scare your simple wit, just a picture or video. Even a slow learner like you might eventually see the reality of the move that expert skiers use. Then, if you're really good you might be allowed to know about some more advanced movements that compliment the primary movements of the feet.
"I am looking for a qoute from a current WC skier acknowledging that he/she uses this so called movement -phantom turn- by that name."
That's cute, you've learnt to spell a new word, I'm so proud.
"Get it."
Get what? a beer from the fridge? OH! sorry, a question again? No, as I explained earlier I don't really get what you are on about at all. Maybe if you have a read of the numerous answers to your question you will be able to reconcile your angst. Good luck with that.
>>>Name and video, please.<<<<
Names be well known. Video -
http://video.epicski.com
<<<< anonymous said...
I could care less about his race results.
September 16, 2008 7:50 AM>>>>
Oh so although he and you will shout from the roof tops that he is a WC racer (due to getting a start on Canadian TECHNICAL team) you do not care if he never managed to even finish a race?
Or perhaps was too scared to even start?
anonymous said...
FACT -
Mr. Harb was later the Overall Pro Ski Champion on the US Eastern Regional Circuit.
September 16, 2008 9:02 AM
Is that like winning the final in beer league softball?
Suppose someone finds the race results. What does it prove?
Suppose someone finds the race results. What does it prove?
Not a thing. Its another red herring.
Mr. Harbs qualifications are exceptional.
"Suppose someone finds the race results. What does it prove?"
It means the person asking for the results was able to get someone to do some work for them. Some people enjoy making demands that are relatively free to them but costly on the other side in the name of "dialogue." Again, Harb is not the only race coach with great credentials to have encountered these types of "questions" on the internet.
>>>Name and video, please.<<<<
Names be well known. Video -
http://video.epicski.com
Thanks, but you've password-protected the site. Does it use normal EpicSki user handle and password, ESA-specific ids, or is it effectively blocked from general viewing by Epic members?
Supposing I am able to view the video, which video portrays which of your "well-known names?" The video's not much use unless I can put a name to my future skiing role-model.
Which one skis steep boilerplate bumps most efficiently? I'd like to pay special attention to that one's video. An even more effective and efficient technique than PMTS in steep, see-through ice bumps would definitely be a welcome addition to my "skills toolbox." Many thanks.
lol, those videos didn't used to be password protected. They showed the coaches working with the students. I guess they don't want you to see what goes on at ESA. Why aren't they proud to show it?
<<< anonymous said...
Suppose someone finds the race results. What does it prove?
September 17, 2008 6:57 AM>>>
It will prove that filling a token start order spot for a weak national team, and finishing DFL is not much to keep bragging ad nauseum about
R u kidding?
FACT -
Mr. Harb raced in his first WC race at the age of 18 with the Canadian National Ski Team.
FACT -
Mr. Harb was later the Overall Pro Ski Champion on the US Eastern Regional Circuit.
FACT -
Mr. Harb has extension coaching experience. Mr. Harb is a USSCA master coach.
FACT -
Mr. Harb was the program director for Glacier Creek Academy in Alaska, the program that developed Tommy Moe.
FACT -
Mr. Harb was a PSIA Examiner
FACT -
Mr. Harb spent four years on the PSIA Demo Team.
that is all interesting
I'm sure you were mayor of a small town at one point also...
but what about the World Cup?
Harb's quals speak for themselves. He has nothing left to prove.
Is there an epic member that frequently posts in the epic instructional forums that has a resume similar to Mr. Harbs?
I'm still waiting to get the password to see the video and the name and identifying characteristics of the skier I should pay particular attention to in that video. I want to see what skiing role model you can provide for me.
On your other topic, I wouldn't mind being the mayor of a small town. It's starting to look like a quick ticket to become President of the United States after a quick stop at the #2 position. With the Secret Service's help, I imagine that liftlines would be a thing of the past and it would probably be easy to get any hot ski you want. With a huge fleet of helicopters at your disposal and vast government lands out west, just think of the powder lines to be skied. Vote anonymous for mayor! And I'll take you heliskiing with me :-)
Epic ski Sucks! (the technique and analysis bit).
It's a waste of bandwidth checking the old T&A daily. It's lost its punch because of the three being banned and pretty much anyone else who knows enough about skiing to be of any use to me being afraid to speak their mind.
Would someone please let us know if an interesting thread ever starts up over there? One of you lurkers here that were part of the decision to ban the three and are there all the time should be able to monitor the threads for us, how about it?
Thanks in anticipation of your help.
One of Epic's best,,,,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJlO_73a5zI
ONe thing we should be able to agree on is that Rick El Hombre Rapido Schnellman is the worst dressed skier on the mountain.
He really looks like an idiot.
VS1
Is there an epic member that frequently posts in the epic instructional forums that has a resume similar to Mr. Harbs?
Thats credible. Yes, plenty of them.
Still waiting for confirmation from a current WC skier. That he/she uses this so-called Fantom turn.
"Suppose someone finds the race results. What does it prove?"
It means the person asking for the results was able to get someone to do some work for them. Some people enjoy making demands that are relatively free to them but costly on the other side in the name of "dialogue." Again, Harb is not the only race coach with great credentials to have encountered these types of "questions" on the internet.
It means we cannot find anything on the internet to verify his credentials. So, he must be lying about it then.
"Are you frigging retarded or what."
I assume this is just poor grammar and you mean it as a question. In answer, I don't think so, I was able to progress through the normal education system. By the way, you should be grateful that you had some help with your 'special needs' and sort of learned to read and write a bit.
Apparently you missed a few grades. Because you still don't get it. They do offer help noew for A.D.D.
"I can post a picture of anyone on my website, and say that htey are doing a movment that I just invented. Even though they do not know that they are doing that movement."
You have a website? wow! could we have a link to it please. I'd love to have a look. Why would you post a picture there and say someone was 'doing a movment' that they don't know they are doing? That's just silly. Your website should be a great laugh.
Where did you say that you went to school?
If I were you. I'd ask for a refund. Because you still don't get it.
"Are ya following me. Or do I need to s---p----e-----l------l it more slowly."
Again, assuming you don't know about question marks I'll take this as a question. The answer to this one is no, not really. You keep asking a question that has been answered by your betters in numerous ways, quite logically, and yet you don't seem to understand, hence the suggestion you try to calm down and look at a picture. No big words to scare your simple wit, just a picture or video. Even a slow learner like you might eventually see the reality of the move that expert skiers use. Then, if you're really good you might be allowed to know about some more advanced movements that compliment the primary movements of the feet.
You keep avoiding the questions here. I suggest you find someone that can read this blog for you. So they can help you understand what big people write.
"I am looking for a qoute from a current WC skier acknowledging that he/she uses this so called movement -phantom turn- by that name."
That's cute, you've learnt to spell a new word, I'm so proud.
Impressive grammar there.
"Get it."
Get what? a beer from the fridge? OH! sorry, a question again? No, as I explained earlier I don't really get what you are on about at all. Maybe if you have a read of the numerous answers to your question you will be able to reconcile your angst. Good luck with that.
Oh no! Here we go again with the. 'I can't figure out what you trying to say here'
No one has provided tangible evidence. I.E. a statement. Not a post of a video.
So, I suggest you and your tutor go through and re-read this blog. And maybe he/she can help you understand. But, then again probably not.
That's a bit strong you simpleton, accusing someone of Mr Harbs stature of lying is an incredibly cheap shot, you are really showing your ignorance now. The facts have been explained to you on numerous posts, but thanks for confirming that EPIC ski Sucks
R u kidding?
FACT -
Mr. Harb raced in his first WC race at the age of 18 with the Canadian National Ski Team.
FACT -
Mr. Harb was later the Overall Pro Ski Champion on the US Eastern Regional Circuit.
FACT -
Mr. Harb has extension coaching experience. Mr. Harb is a USSCA master coach.
FACT -
Mr. Harb was the program director for Glacier Creek Academy in Alaska, the program that developed Tommy Moe.
FACT -
Mr. Harb was a PSIA Examiner
FACT -
Mr. Harb spent four years on the PSIA Demo Team.
Dumb as dogshit you mooron epic defenders.
Two minutes of searching using google found this, now pull your head in Flexon Phalic and play the ball, not the man.
http://www.ville.sherbrooke.qc.ca/webconcepteur/web/alpine/en/skiteam/service.prt?svcid=ALPINE_PAGE_GENERIQUE16&iddoc=77771#G
Look under H for Harb you dickhead.
Some of the newer participants to this debate may not realize that it has been in play for YEARS now.
In 2001 Bob Barnes Said -
Hey come on! PSIA has been flatulating with the same tone as Harald Harb for a long time before he came along and tried to steal the "wind" from our sails! Harb may have given it a new name (B flat?), but he learned that tone from his days at PSIA. He didn't invent anything. While Harb may blow that one note pretty well, without the rest of the scale, he can hardly claim flatulent virtuosity! Us PSIA people, by the time we're fully certified at least, can flatulate the entire range of tones, giving us the versatility to truly master flatulence. And we can do it anywhere on the mountain, even at high speed. And we don't even have to lift a leg (although we CAN, when it is appropriate and efficient for the desired effect)....
Um, best regards!
Bob Barnes
who exactly is this Bob Barnes? he sounds smelly and yet quite musical.
Dumb as dogshit you mooron epic defenders.
Two minutes of searching using google found this, now pull your head in Flexon Phalic and play the ball, not the man.
http://www.ville.sherbrooke.qc.ca/webconcepteur/web/alpine/en/skiteam/service.prt?svcid=ALPINE_PAGE_GENERIQUE16&iddoc=77771#G
Look under H for Harb you dickhead.
Hey Dickhead.
Newsflash.......anyone could have hacked that site and put his name there.
There is no link or reference to his accomplishments. For all we know he probably was the water boy.
That good enough for you loser PMtS' ers.
FACT -
Mr. Harb raced in his first WC race at the age of 18 with the Canadian National Ski Team.
Translation: The Canadian Ski Team's technical squad at that period in time was a joke. All their good skiers raced downhill. They filled technical quota spots with kids who started at the back of the pack, and rode the ruts to DFL placings, if they made it down the hill at all. He doesn't speak of his results, because he had none worth speaking of. He just constantly brags about participating. Isn't that special. Eddie the Eagle did that much, and more. Eddie "participated" in the Olympics too.
FACT -
Mr. Harb was later the Overall Pro Ski Champion on the US Eastern Regional Circuit.
You've got to be kidding. That was a nothing tour, full of racer wannabes, and fat old has-beens. The tour traveled around the East and drew locals who wanted to give racing a try and then be able to tell their buddies they raced pro. Please. The overall winner was the out of work guy who could travel around and make the most races.
FACT -
Mr. Harb has extension coaching experience.
Extension coaching experience??? Does that he has lots of experience teaching an up move? Oh, you mean EXTENSIVE. Interesting slip up there. He has extensive experience because he's old as the hills. His racing experience was way back in the 60's, and his skiing shows that same old days technique. Z turns, and he thinks his discovery of carving arc2arc is some kind of breakthrough. Look around, Harald, everyone is carving arc2arc these days. It's only you and your students who think it's some kind of ground breaking technique. Now, once Harb learns how to ski without looking like Quasimodo, he and his unfortunately mislead students might catch up with modern technique.
FACT -
Mr. Harb was the program director for Glacier Creek Academy in Alaska, the program that developed Tommy Moe.
FACT: Harb has a pathetic habit of name dropping, and even latching onto good skiers who's success he's really had little to do with. He has long demonstrated a pattern of spewing BS, similar to his perpetual boasting about his comical back-of-the-pack WC racing experience.
FACT - Mr. Harb was a PSIA Examiner
Even PSIA could eventually spot a loser, and gave him the boot. Speaking of his resume, notice how much he's moved around? Why is that? Because the guy is bad news, that's why, and eventually each new employer got clued in. He's now burned all his bridges, and must work for himself. Is anyone surprised? Go read his website. Quite a piece of work, he is. Mean spirited, and full of crap too. "Oh, look at me, I'm a World Cup racer, and the only person on the face of the earth who knows how to teach skiing. Yeah, right. Caution ya'll; what he's teaching you don't want to learn. It's one dimensional skiing that will leave you skill starved and skiing like a giraffe in a doll house.
FACT -
Mr. Harb spent four years on the PSIA Demo Team.
Don't you love it??? First he's spewing about how bad those guys ski. Next breath he's bragging about being a member of their team. Yes, Harald, that's quite a feather in your hat you have there. Come on, Harald, tell us more about your wondrous World Cup racing career. Pour yourselves another cup of Kool-Aid young PMTS'ers, and pull up a seat, the Messiah is about to spin you another yarn. God, what a clown.
<<<Caution ya'll; what he's teaching you don't want to learn. It's one dimensional skiing that will leave you skill starved and skiing like a giraffe in a doll house.>>>
If I could ski as "one dimensionally" as Max_501, I'd be really really happy. If I could ski as "one dimensionally" as Diana, I'd think I'd died and gone to ski heaven. Thank you for teaching me the correct phrase to describe excellence in skiing.
I'm still waiting for the EpicSki video password. After seeing the new youtube entertainment video, I assume Rick S. wasn't the name you'd be telling me to look for.
Does PSIA normally teach skiing in a doll house as part of the skills mix, or is this your own custom teaching innovation? How do examiners test for this and is it a level 1 or level 2 instructor skill? What if I've outgrown playing with dolls? Can PSIA still teach me to ski?
Is there an epic member that frequently posts in the epic instructional forums that has a resume similar to Mr. Harbs?
Thats credible. Yes, plenty of them.
Really,,,,names please.
An EpicSki moderator wrote yesterday "Would I call most level 1 certs advanced skiers? Yes."
When official representatives of EpicSki are this self-delusional, we can confidently accept the premise of this blog: Epic Ski Sucks.
Any Mouse
An EpicSki moderator wrote yesterday "Would I call most level 1 certs advanced skiers? Yes."
Is this a joke? Got a link?
Got a Link?
Sure, here: http://tinyurl.com/4u39le
Read the 2nd sentence of the 2nd paragraph and be prepared to laugh.
Any Mouse
Still waiting for a quote from a current WC skier that uses this joke of a loser move called a Fantom turn.
What a bunch of sore ass skier wannabes on that PMtS site.
If I could ski as "one dimensionally" as Max_501, I'd be really really happy. If I could ski as "one dimensionally" as Diana, I'd think I'd died and gone to ski heaven. Thank you for teaching me the correct phrase to describe excellence in skiing.
All of these people listed here are pathetic excuses for what you would label remedial skiing.
Keep on drinking the koolaid.
Reality Check time.
Compare video of vocal Epic members to video of Max and Diana.
Reality Check time.
Compare video of vocal Epic members to video of Max and Diana.
You're joking right?
They both suck!
"Reality Check time.
Compare video of vocal Epic members to video of Max and Diana."
Yes that would certainly explain to the casual reader that mister "still waiting ....WC...blah blah blah fanta turns blah blah patent" has absolutely no idea about what good skiing looks like.
Lets see some video of the "PSIA Royalty" doing there ugly old school hopping moves. Or how about that ignorant Noli woman that banned the three. Or what about El Hombre Rapido? Isn't he out of the closet now? Come on EPIC supporters! lets see what the emperor looks like, will he be wearing clothes????
Still waiting to see video of the epic/psia royalty Flexon Phalus
Can't find any video Phalu Phil Flexon? what about some of you? You reckon you're a skier don't you? Max and Diana a bit too elegant for you?
???
You're joking right?
They both suck!
Diana -
www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHGbwKm89Jw
www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQQVq27MNok
www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SC8A4SwoqA
Max -
www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqUKjeRTMIs
Someone got links to a few of the vocal PMTS bashers over on Epic?
Wow! nice turns. Total control, teach me to ski in one dimension like that and I will also die happy.
This is a funny video, check it out.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=pqUKjeRTMIs&feature=related
Still waiting for confirmation from a current WC skier that uses the so-called Fantom turn.
Don't get me started on the BPST
Bullshit Pathetic Sloppy Turn.
Still waiting on links to video of a few of the vocal PMTS bashers over on Epic.
Still waiting on links to video of a few of the vocal PMTS bashers over on Epic.
Hey! Thats not fair........
I thought we were hijacking this blog, and turning it into. PMtS SUCKS!
"I thought we were hijacking this blog, and turning it into. PMtS SUCKS!"
Not possible really, the video speaks for itself, quality turns v unknown turns from epic crowd.
The only deduction is EPIC SUCKS and PMTS produces wonderful skiers.
And when is this expert sucker Phil going to realise that his ridiculous request is not relevent and has been answered as such many times.
What a waste of space!
EPIC sucks and Flexon Phal is one of their best.
And don't get your hopes up about seeing some video of the EPIC crowd that bashes PMTS, none of them have the balls, Noli included.
Compare video of vocal Epic members to video of Max and Diana."
Yes that would certainly explain to the casual reader that mister "still waiting ....WC...blah blah blah fanta turns blah blah patent" has absolutely no idea about what good skiing looks like.
Thanks for pointing that out. I found the video. And mister I can tell you that. That is an amazing video of two idiots doing Z-turns. Looks like she is ready torun him over towards the end. Great speed control there.
Also, love the sequential movements each skier is demonstrating.
Just Fabulous.
Would someone please let us know if an interesting thread ever starts up over there? One of you lurkers here that were part of the decision to ban the three and are there all the time should be able to monitor the threads for us, how about it?
I will, if you keep me posted on how te 'kitties' are doing.
Not possible really, the video speaks for itself, quality turns v unknown turns from epic crowd.
The only deduction is EPIC SUCKS and PMTS produces wonderful skiers.
Did you hit your head?
Yeah I want to ski with sequential movemnets. That produce Z-turns like the PMtS skiers do.
And when is this expert sucker Phil going to realise that his ridiculous request is not relevent and has been answered as such many times.
What a waste of space!
EPIC sucks and Flexon Phal is one of their best.
And don't get your hopes up about seeing some video of the EPIC crowd that bashes PMTS, none of them have the balls, Noli included.
Just as I thought. None of you can produce any evidence to support this so-called move. Just as your fearless leader cannot produce any results of his made up WC career.
Keep drinking the KOOLAID!
Not sure what a Z turn is, but if it's like the one dimensional turns you go on about, count me in, I want to do them.
I guess it's your untrained eye seeing a tightening of the turn radius by tipping more through the turn.
Not sure I like the term Z turn, but gee I can't wait to do them as well as Max501 and Diana.
"Just as I thought. None of you can produce any evidence to support this so-called move. Just as your fearless leader cannot produce any results of his made up WC career."
Try looking at any video of a good racer, the move is there all the time?
Stop wasting space here.
By here I mean earth you Flexon!
That is an amazing video of two idiots doing Z-turns.
Those turns are nice carved turns. Maybe that is what a z-turn is over on epic.
searched on epic,,,,did not find video to link to
there is some from esa but it locked now
max skiing ok,,,, but see little tail push in fast turns
diana near perfection
"Yeah I want to ski with sequential movemnets. That produce Z-turns like the PMtS skiers do."
If this indeed is your goal, try thinking in terms of the turn being a continuum of movements, analogue not digital; if you do this and make the movements described in the freely available P.M.T.S. literature, one day you may be able to ski something like Diana and Max501.
It's a bit hard to help you though in the absence of some video, how is the search going?
"I will, if you keep me posted on how te 'kitties' are doing."
Here you go;
http://www.harbskisystems.com/hblog/hblogindex.html
Enjoy!
>>> diana near perfection <<<
Perfection? So that's what you PMTS'ers call skiing on your tails? Holy Bessy, does she EVER get her ass up over her boots? It's so far back and low to the ground it looks like she'd need a crane to hoist it back up. Kool-Aid drinkers, you really don't want to shoot for that kind of skiing. Horrid Harry skis the same way. Obviously he taught her, and she excelled at his piss poorly balanced, ass hanging in the backseat example. I wonder how many pair of ski pants she wears out a year, dragging her fanny on the ground like that all the time. Great thing to teach ignorant students with minds that are filterless sponges for the words and examples of a con man who portrays himself as a former World Cup racer, but was nothing more than a token back of the pack DFL rut rider.
I feel so sorry for you poor fools sucked in by this con job. PMTS is a dead end skiing method. Carving turns at 1 mph on pretend skis with tiny radius cuts, stuck in a squat stance. Fooled into thinking you can actually ski. Sent on your way to make these sub-quality, tail ridding, crouched stance turns for the rest of your skiing life, and conned into being happy about it. When Horrid Harry's knees finally can't take anymore of his ass hanging technique, and he's destroyed them beyond Steadman's ability to fix them anymore, he's definitely got a place in the world of used car sales.
The great thing is, the video doesn't lie, you can put whatever spin on it you want for your childish agendas, but the fact is there for anyone viewing this to see; Diana's skiing is elegant, efficient, balanced and controlled at all parts of the turns so why bother writing that rubbish?
Now show us your Epic Royalty so we can have a laugh!! By the sound of it you probably are one of them, you sound a little more educated than Flexon Philus, give us a link to your preferred skiing if you dare.
FACT -
Mr. Harb raced in his first WC race at the age of 18 with the Canadian National Ski Team.
FACT -
Mr. Harb was later the Overall Pro Ski Champion on the US Eastern Regional Circuit.
FACT -
Mr. Harb has extension coaching experience. Mr. Harb is a USSCA master coach.
FACT -
Mr. Harb was the program director for Glacier Creek Academy in Alaska, the program that developed Tommy Moe.
FACT -
Mr. Harb was a PSIA Examiner
FACT -
Mr. Harb spent four years on the PSIA Demo Team.
What do you bring to the table????
Check Diana's offpiste skiing.. it is much worse than her carving turns
The great thing is, the video doesn't lie, you can put whatever spin on it you want for your childish agendas, but the fact is there for anyone viewing this to see; Diana's skiing is elegant, efficient, balanced and controlled at all parts of the turns so why bother writing that rubbish?
Now show us your Epic Royalty so we can have a laugh!! By the sound of it you probably are one of them, you sound a little more educated than Flexon Philus, give us a link to your preferred skiing if you dare.
We're still laughing at this crap. That you call skiing.
Oh wait!.......Theres that patented Fantom turn in the Hi-C part of the Z-turn.
.....and yet the next turn produces.....Wait........
The infamous BPST- Bullshit Pathetic Sorry-ass Turn.
Keep posting them up. We need more great laughs. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!
Why are all of you so very hateful? ALL of you! I can't believe that all that dribble and name calling comes from fellow skiers.
Harald Harb and Diana are excellent skiers, they have their own style as most long time skiers have.
And those of you who have skied with Bob Barnes, Jerry Berg et all know that they are just as good skiers as Harb, so why take it away from either one, with name calling even, it poisons your outlook on life.
And there are millions of us who don't ski as well as the ones mentioned and some of us, not all, are inspired by those professionals and want to ski like them, great.
Skiers and systems can and should co-exist and not try to run each other into the ground with hateful accusations.
Pick your way of learning, classes from the system of your choice, from reading books or from following better skiers or be satisfied with the way you ski and just go out and enjoy it.
The posts from anonymous are dripping with bile and the other posts from anonymous aren't any better.
Please stop the hate and have some meaningful discussions.
Respectfully....
....Ott
Keep it up Flexon Phalus, now that some expert skiing video is part of the discussion it's clear for all to see that you are a loser and have no idea.
Please please dig your grave deeper and send us some skiing video of your EPIC Royalty, I know you know that you are useless and won't post anything of yourself, but let us see your heroes.
Please?
Ott:
I like your sentiments but please dont lump someone like Jerry Berg in with Bob Barnes.
VS1
<<<When Horrid Harry's knees finally can't take anymore of his ass hanging technique, and he's destroyed them beyond Steadman's ability to fix them anymore, he's definitely got a place in the world of used car sales.>>>
I don't think HH would care to enter PhilPug's profession of many years. He has far too many talents to wind up pushing rusty jalopies.
Ott,
As a journalist you should know better than to try to enhance BB's reputation by mentioning him in the same phrase as Jerry Berg.
That's like saying "leaders such as Winston Churchill, Idi Amin, and Josef Stalin, generally concur ..." You've put apples and cumquats together where they don't belong.
Jerry Berg is a very strong skier who teaches for a living. BB is a teacher who "skis" as part of his teaching.
When they ski together they have very similar styles and each can hold his own with the other.
BB does not need his reputation enhanced, just ask Bergie.
...Ott
?????
Ott: I couldn't disagree with you more. There is nothing similar in the style of Berg and Barnes
VS1
>>>enhance BB's reputation by mentioning him in the same phrase as Jerry Berg.<<<
Well, Jerry Berg is an EpicSki academy coach along with some other notables, their credentials are out there for all to see.
http://esa.epicski.com/whos-who/
>>>There is nothing similar in the style of Berg and Barnes<<<
VS1, how would you know?
....Ott
Keep it up Flexon Phalus, now that some expert skiing video is part of the discussion it's clear for all to see that you are a loser and have no idea.
What expert video? You must be talking about Horrid Harry and Desperate Diane. Doing those patented Fantom Z-turns. Witha couple of Bullshit Pathetic Sloppy-ass Turns.
I thought so........LOSER.
Please please dig your grave deeper and send us some skiing video of your EPIC Royalty, I know you know that you are useless and won't post anything of yourself, but let us see your heroes.
Please?
The way you're digging your grave, you'll be in China in no time.
You couldn't handle watching any Epic Royaly skiing. As it is beyond your realm of comprehension.
OMFG, this is hysterical. I have become a descriptive word for Epic'er. I have still yet to here a definitive answer to "What constitutes someone as a "skier". FWIW, there is plenty of video of me skiing out there on the net. I am sorry that none of it is simplistic carving on blue groomers, it is actual skiing in moguls and varied terrain. Unlike some of you anonymous cowardous phrauds, I actually stand behind my words and my skiing. FWIW, I could care less about PSIA, PMtS or what ever limitations you choose to put on your skiing. I sand by my old comment... "skiing is art, not science". If you want to limit your skiing, go PMtS!
Bolter, we are still waiting for your video. We are still waiting for proof that you know Bob Peters, yet Bob has no idea who you are.
Still waiting for a quote from a current WC skier that uses this so-called Fntom turn that Horrid Harry invented.
"Still patiently waiting for a qoute from a current WC skier to verify that he/she uses the patented PMtS Fantom turn."
Crikey!, Whoever keeps writing this is obviously a bit slow, not exactly the sharpest tool in the shed poor soul, so his/her reading comprehension skills are not quite there. Maybe a picture will help him/her see the move, assuming he/she just can't spell and Fantom means Phantom in the P.M.T.S.
Would someone maybe post a link to a sequence or video of some W.C. slalom gates and try to show him/her what the move is? I don't think Ott's description was comprehended either perhaps some old pictures showing the lighten and tip move would help show the origins of the moves that are so well described to the discerning ski public in the P.M.T.S. literature.
Crikey!!!!!!!
You need glasses, or someone to read these posts to you.
What part of QUOTE do you not understand?
I am not asking for a picture. Your mentor (Head Koolaid maker) has claimed that WC skiers use his patented move. I want to hear from a current WC skier that he/she uses Horrid Harry's patented move.
The links you refer to showing WC skiers in a slalom course. Is nothing but a lift and tip movement. Sorry to tell you, but that move has been around a long time.
So, what is this Fantom move again?
Bolter, we are still waiting for your video.
You realize there are a bunch of clips of Bolter on youtube? Linked from Epic and PMTS site.
The links you refer to showing WC skiers in a slalom course. Is nothing but a lift and tip movement. Sorry to tell you, but that move has been around a long time.
Go read HH's books and watch his videos. He says he didn't invent the lift and tip in them and also shows footage of WC racing doing the movement in his first video.
Was that movement taught to the recreational skiing public before Harb? The Epic elite have said how dangerous that movement is to recreational skiers.
You couldn't handle watching any Epic Royaly skiing. As it is beyond your realm of comprehension.
Why isn't it up on youtube for all to see? A great marketing tool for Epic and ESA, NO?
FWIW, there is plenty of video of me skiing out there on the net.
Links?
FWIW, I could care less about PSIA, PMtS or what ever limitations you choose to put on your skiing. I sand by my old comment... "skiing is art, not science".
Skiing is physics and biomechanics.
I did watch the video of Diana. There are no z-turns demonstrated.
Max's skiing might have a few,,,,depends on how we define it.
You got a link to Bob Barnes video? Let us check Ott's claim that Mr. Barnes skis as well as Mr. Harb.
The links you refer to showing WC skiers in a slalom course. Is nothing but a lift and tip movement. Sorry to tell you, but that move has been around a long time.
Go read HH's books and watch his videos.
Now why would I want to read his books and pollute my mind with such rubbish?
He says he didn't invent the lift and tip in them and also shows footage of WC racing doing the movement in his first video.
This statement does not make any sense.
On the other hand if we agree that it is a lift and tip movement. Why does Horrid Harry need to rename this movement?
Was that movement taught to the recreational skiing public before Harb?
Pretty much all of the movements Horrid Harry claims to teach. Have been taught long before he came into this.
The Epic elite have said how dangerous that movement is to recreational skiers.
It could be a dangerous movement, just as any other movement in skiing.
But, do as you may in the PMtS reich. And ski with that sequential,z-turn,ass dragging skiing that you all claim to be the new rave.
Sorry, My Bad...VS1 video, not Bolter.
WC racers ski with an almost identical posture to that shown by Diana and HH. None of them are in the backseat.
Sorry, My Bad...VS1 video, not Bolter.
Where is video of BB, Nolo, BudH, BobP, Skidude72, Borntoski, MichaelA, BigE, theRusty, and the other Epic experts?
It could be a dangerous movement, just as any other movement in skiing.
But, do as you may in the PMtS reich.
The Epic elite said it was a dangerous movement and should not be used with recreational skiers. Some has questioned the benefit of recreational skiers learning WC technique.
WC racers ski with an almost identical posture to that shown by Diana and HH. None of them are in the backseat.
So, HH and Diane are WC racers?
Then why try to teach WC techniques to a recreational skier?
That doesn't make any sense.
........and yes they are in the backseat. As well as their turn shapes are z-turns. With alot of emphasis on skiing on their tails.They're pretty much hunched over at the waist as well.
Where is video of BB, Nolo, BudH, BobP, Skidude72, Borntoski, MichaelA, BigE, theRusty, and the other Epic experts?
Where's video of VS1?
So, HH and Diane are WC racers?
No one has ever said that Diana is a WC racer. She has raced on the FIS circuit. Last I checked she beat about half the girls that were half her age.
Then why try to teach WC techniques to a recreational skier?
That doesn't make any sense.
Huh? You don't want to ski like the best? I do.
........and yes they are in the backseat.
No, they are not.
As well as their turn shapes are z-turns.
Negatory.
With alot of emphasis on skiing on their tails.
LMAO
They're pretty much hunched over at the waist as well.
Negatory. They have a break at the pelvis-femur joint. For goodness sakes, learn a bit about biomechanics.
Let us see video of the Epic elite to compare against the PMTS elite.
If they are good there is nothing to hide.
Has is occurred to anyone that the real reason Epic sucks is because it has adopted and then enforced a policy of “no right or wrong” and “no one is better then anyone else”? This policy caters to the lowest common denominator. This policy was brought in and enforced by Joan Rostad (aka Nolo).
Has it occurred to anyone that the real reason the PSIA sucks is because it has adopted these same basic policies. The wording is slightly different (ie: the PSIA policies are: nothing can be defined, it is all grey, and subject to interpretation and intent) but the effect of catering to the lowest common denominator is the same. Ironically this policy was also brought in and enforced by Joan Rostad (aka Nolo).
This woman has been stain on the fabric of skiing in this country for far too long. Her lowest common denominator approach has resulted in a nation of crappy ski instructors and terminal intermediates that think they are experts. Her approach was to change the definition of good skiing, rather then to change skiers. She filled the ears of the masses with easy answers and bullshit. They bought it, and the general American skiing public has been suffering for it ever since.
The real problem is not Harold Harb, or Bob Barnes or Rapido, the problem is Joan Rostad and her policies. It is time this disease is cured. The only cure is to move Rostad to Kansas with no access to anything to do with skiing so she is unable to dispense her poisonous ideas.
Some of the best skiers in the world have a posture that could be called 'crouched'. If you don't understand spend some time studying biomechanics. Or read How the Racers Ski by Warren Witherell.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVJD--L-dqM
Some of the best skiers in the world have a posture that could be called 'crouched'. If you don't understand spend some time studying biomechanics.
The best skiers in the world are not dragging their asses along behind their feet, like Horrid Harry, Darling Diana and the bulk of all PMTS skiers. The big break at the waist of PMTS skiers is a compensation movement to keep them from falling on the ass because of their overly flexed knees. It's why they have to "pull their feet back" between turns. Because they're so freaking far back on their heels as a result of their poor stance and balance. And for most of them, the foot pull back thing doesn't even help, as can be seen in the back seat skiing of the authors of this awful school of skiing. If you don't understand the difference between the well balanced skiing done by World cup racers, and the crappy out of balance skiing taught and demonstrated in PMTS, then get the heck out of that poor excuse for a teaching system, and go find an instructor who actually knows how to ski and teach modern technique. Horrid Harry is still promoting the same crap skiing that had him running and finishing DFL back in the 60's.
Hell, he doesn't even understand why the lifting of the ski is happening in the skiing of World Cup racers, yet he's built an entire program around it, and has skiers doing it for all the wrong reasons. It's really quite sad, and a disservice to everyone he teaches his ill conceived, misunderstood, dead end movements to.
PMTS'ers, seriously, get the hell out of that program. Max is held up as a poster boy, but his skiing is moderate at best, and he's been working feverishly on it for many years. Imagine how good he could be at this point with all the work he's committed to it if he had been training under someone who actually knew what he was doing.
Then why try to teach WC techniques to a recreational skier?
That doesn't make any sense.
Huh? You don't want to ski like the best? I do.
They are the best at racing Bro. There technique is very different from recreational skiing. There mission is to get down the mountain as fast as they can. And when they do it is in a gated course. So, I guess you must limit your skiing to just racing then.
Some of the best skiers in the world have a posture that could be called 'crouched'. If you don't understand spend some time studying biomechanics. Or read How the Racers Ski by Warren Witherell.
OK. So, PMtS is an accredited 'race' teaching organization then. Not a recreational skiing forum. I can live with that. But, trying to teach beginner skier to ski 'crouched over' is a bad idea.
>>>>Max is held up as a poster boy, but his skiing is moderate at best, and he's been working feverishly on it for many years. Imagine how good he could be at this point with all the work he's committed to it if he had been training under someone who actually knew what he was doing<<<<
At epic vailsnopro said max skiing was good as psia lvl 2 cert and on its way to a lvl 3,,,,but not there yet. He already good as most instructors in psia.
it easy to diss on someneelsess skiing
where is you proofs that you skis better
They are the best at racing Bro. There technique is very different from recreational skiing.
I agree! Racing technique IS different. Based on the best fundamentals used by the best skiers in any terrain. Fundamentals that take advantage of ski design and biomechanics. Inefficient recreational movements are not part of racing fundamentals.
Racer fundamentals in all terrain.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpLKYpD8IRo
www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVJD--L-dqM
it easy to diss on someneelsess skiing
where is you proofs that you skis better
WTF!!!!!
Go back to school and learn how to spell, and compose a sentence.
Racer fundamentals in all terrain.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpLKYpD8IRo
www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVJD--L-dqM
Not really. The first video was more from the Extreme scene. No racing fundamentals here.
The second video was a little dated. Maybe. If you judge this kind of skiing to be racing fundamentals. I'd hate to be in your shoes. There was alot of popping going on there. Also, no where in the header did it state that he was using racing techniques.
They are racers and incredible all mountain skiers. Not a thing old school about it.
Racer fundamentals in all terrain.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpLKYpD8IRo
www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVJD--L-dqM
WOW! Crazy good skiing.
>>>>The second video was a little dated. Maybe. If you judge this kind of skiing to be racing fundamentals. I'd hate to be in your shoes. There was alot of popping going on there. Also, no where in the header did it state that he was using racing techniques.<<<<
dated? NOT! obviously racing inspired fundamentals no need to state it. another racer ripping all over the mountain.
dated? NOT! obviously racing inspired fundamentals no need to state it. another racer ripping all over the mountain.
That has to be some of the worst skiing ever posted (Next to Horrid Harry).
Must have been taught by a PMtS slicer!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Still waiting for a QUOTE from a current WC skier that uses this so-called patented 'Fantom turn'.
dated? NOT! obviously racing inspired fundamentals no need to state it. another racer ripping all over the mountain.
Where does it say that Kyle Taylor is a racer?
Another feeble attempt from PMtS. To validate their sorry excuse for something they call skiing.
You should be ashamed for tagging such an awesome extreme skier to your way of misleading skiing.
Is that the same Kyle Taylor that races for MSU?
>>>>That has to be some of the worst skiing ever posted (Next to Horrid Harry).<<<<
Wow, you are saying that about an ExWC racer and one of Japan's best technical skier.
Wow, you are saying that about an ExWC racer and one of Japan's best technical skier.
Yep, because it looks like that PMtS crap!
OK, I can't stand this bullshit anymore.
You convoluted PSIA fools have no experience or record that comes close to matching Harald, and your ideas on PMTS only show your ignorance. Harald was a great World Cup racer. His name is still remembered today around the skiing world for his accomplishments on the circuit. Probably one of the best to ever compete on the World Cup, and now he makes his secrets to his world class success available to everybody. So ignore his advice if you want, it only hurts you.
The best skiers in the world ski PMTS style. They use the exact same primary movements. PSIA skiers only steer and pivot their turns. They have no idea what a carved turn even feels like, much less a high C carve. That's right, not one of them. If they weren't allowed to steer and pivot their skis they couldn't get down the hill. I've never seen a PSIA skier carve a turn. We PMTS skiers are the only ones who really know how to use the side cut of a ski the way it's intended to be used. Each of us within a day of skiing with Harald, or training with the ideas in his books, advance well past PSIA royalty. Yes, that's right, what we learn is that good and PSIA skiing is that bad.
And as far as their stupid steering and pivoting, they have no idea how skis can be allowed to turn rather than have to turn them. If you do nothing to the skis when using PMTS moves they will turn completely on their own. You don't have to steer, you don't have to do anything. Just get out of the way and let them turn. Skis want to turn. Leave them alone and they will spin a 180 in a ski length. I can't believe how stupid PSIA instructors are that they don't understand that.
The best PSIA instructors don't come close to skiing as well as the youngest PMTS students. We won't put up video because you PSIA fools don't know good skiing when it's put right in front of you. Max's video proves that. Max's skiing is at a level PSIA royalty can't even comprehend. Bob Barnes? Give me a break. He's never done a real carved turn in his life. He knows nothing about current ski technique. He's still stuck in the rotary skiing of the past, and refuses to explore how to ski the skis of today properly. It's he and his lot with their heads stuck in the sand for so long that are solely responsible for every bad skier seen on the slopes of America today. And the more they take PSIA lessons the worse they get and the further beyond help they become. They'll never know what's it's like to ski like some of our long time PMTS students like MilesB, jbotti, SCSA, Hobbit, John Mason, Max, Jclayton. Even their PSIA instructors wont. These PMTS students get it. They understand and perform on a level PSIA instructors will never get a glimpse of following the bad skiing course of learning and teaching they are.
Ott, you think the skiing of PMTS and PSIA is equal in quality? Too many manhattans, and too clueless about modern skiing old dude. Harald has told you how backwards your skiing and knowledge is. How many times must it be repeated before it finally sinks into that thick old skull of yours? I'm sure you're a nice old chap in real life, but you really no nothing of what you're talking about when it comes to skiing, and you would do better for yourself and your skiing if you just shut up and listened to what PMTS skiers tell you.
OK, I can't stand this bullshit anymore.
You convoluted PSIA fools have no experience or record that comes close to matching Harald, and your ideas on PMTS only show your ignorance. Harald was a great World Cup racer. BULLSHIT His name is still remembered today around the skiing world for his accomplishments on the circuit. Probably one of the best to ever compete on the World Cup, and now he makes his secrets to his world class success available to everybody. So ignore his advice if you want, it only hurts you.
....and Horrid Harry does. Is that why he was kicked out of PSIA, and every other organization he tried to be affiliated with.
You convoluted PMtS asshats haveno ground to stand on. Other that your claim to a patented 'fantom z-turn' and that 'hunched over at the waist look'
Progress.... oh yeah. Keep drinking the KOOLAID!
The best skiers in the world ski PMTS style. They use the exact same primary movements. PSIA skiers only steer and pivot their turns. They have no idea what a carved turn even feels like, much less a high C carve. That's right, not one of them. If they weren't allowed to steer and pivot their skis they couldn't get down the hill. I've never seen a PSIA skier carve a turn. We PMTS skiers are the only ones who really know how to use the side cut of a ski the way it's intended to be used. Each of us within a day of skiing with Harald, or training with the ideas in his books, advance well past PSIA royalty. Yes, that's right, what we learn is that good and PSIA skiing is that bad.
Horrid Harry you really are out of touch.
You claim the best skiers ski PMtS style (a joke). But, yu have failledto produce a quote from a current WC skier that uses your patented turn.
Keep posting more videos of HH Diane Max and Bolter. The laughs keep getting better. I do like a look at crappy skiing now and then. And you guys sure know how to show it.
And as far as their stupid steering and pivoting, they have no idea how skis can be allowed to turn rather than have to turn them. If you do nothing to the skis when using PMTS moves they will turn completely on their own. You don't have to steer, you don't have to do anything. Just get out of the way and let them turn. Skis want to turn. Leave them alone and they will spin a 180 in a ski length. I can't believe how stupid PSIA instructors are that they don't understand that.
Thats why those fabulous z-turns allow all of you PMtS'ers to only have contact with skiing on your tails. None of you have no idea how to properly intitate a turn.
The best PSIA instructors don't come close to skiing as well as the youngest PMTS students. We won't put up video because you PSIA fools don't know good skiing when it's put right in front of you. Max's video proves that. Max's skiing is at a level PSIA royalty can't even comprehend. Bob Barnes? Give me a break. He's never done a real carved turn in his life. He knows nothing about current ski technique. He's still stuck in the rotary skiing of the past, and refuses to explore how to ski the skis of today properly. It's he and his lot with their heads stuck in the sand for so long that are solely responsible for every bad skier seen on the slopes of America today. And the more they take PSIA lessons the worse they get and the further beyond help they become. They'll never know what's it's like to ski like some of our long time PMTS students like MilesB, jbotti, SCSA, Hobbit, John Mason, Max, Jclayton. Even their PSIA instructors wont. These PMTS students get it. They understand and perform on a level PSIA instructors will never get a glimpse of following the bad skiing course of learning and teaching they are.
Please do post some of your so-called PMtS elite. We all could use a great laugh at watching CRAPPY skiing. You have no understanding of how to ski correctly. Nor will you ever. That is why you have been kicked out of every organization you have tried to associate yourself with. Thus the reason for starting you BS program that will never work. Go to any resort area and ask them if they have ever heard about PMtS. You won't get a response, because they have never heard of you!
Ott, you think the skiing of PMTS and PSIA is equal in quality? Too many manhattans, and too clueless about modern skiing old dude. Harald has told you how backwards your skiing and knowledge is. How many times must it be repeated before it finally sinks into that thick old skull of yours? I'm sure you're a nice old chap in real life, but you really no nothing of what you're talking about when it comes to skiing, and you would do better for yourself and your skiing if you just shut up and listened to what PMTS skiers tell you.
Ott has got the most sense out of every poster in this blog. But, your continued arrogance prevails you. It shows in your comments.
Thus the reasoning for it coming back to haunt you. Continue on Horrid Harry and the lot of you PMtS losers.
And before you do any more harm to the skiing industry. I urge you to close down your forum and stop passing on any information that would be detrimental to all innocent skiers out there.
>>>>>Ott, you think the skiing of PMTS and PSIA is equal in quality? Too many manhattans, and too clueless about modern skiing old dude. Harald has told you how backwards your skiing and knowledge is. How many times must it be repeated before it finally sinks into that thick old skull of yours? I'm sure you're a nice old chap in real life, but you really no nothing of what you're talking about when it comes to skiing,<<<<
Oh well, I don't know your identity or your credentials to make the above statement but actually Harald and I are on pretty good terms, he has the insight to know whereof I speak, it is when his students who don't have an understanding jump in to defend him against what they perceive to be an attack when it actually is just a debate that muddles up the waters.
.....Ott
More than a debate. Real difference in approach to skiing.
Time out!
Yes, PMTS rocks and PSIA ... whatever.
This blog is dedicated to the premise that EpicSki sucks. It's not the place for the latest PMTS / TTS pissing contest.
Yes, I carve circles around clueless PSIA level 3's to warm-up in the morning, but that's not what this blog is about.
Where do the banned trio stand on this?
1) VS1 created this blog to shine the light of truth onto Epic, not to reignite PMTS / PSIA battles. VS1 is friendly towards PMTS, but is not a PMTS student. VS1's gripe is with Epic moderation policy, moderator abuses, and political correctness.
2) Max_501 has said of PMTS / TTS discussion that "it reads as a big pissing match to me."
3) Bolter has remained publicly silent.
Two-thirds of the trio aren't in favor of this pissing match, so how about we give it a break. And talk about EpicSki instead and take the battle back where it belongs.
If you need a new topic of conversation, how about the demise of the "ask a pro" forum ... or going commercial with advertising to pay for Bob Barnes videos ... or Nolo's skiing relativism ... or how to innoculate recreational skiers on Epic from the charlatans lurking the instructional forums.
OK then lets talk about thepatnted 'Fantom z-turn' and the 'BPST Bullshit Pathetic Sorry ass Turn'
Also, how you taill draggin hunched over hombres manage to get down the blue groomers. While stroking your Harbl!
Discuss:
Two-thirds of the trio aren't in favor of this pissing match, so how about we give it a break. And talk about EpicSki instead and take the battle back where it belongs.
Nah, I like the bashing of PMtS hunched-over tail draggers myself.
This is where the real battle is. We need to make the public aware. That PMtS is a sham/scam. Whatever you want to call it.
We need to set these clowns straight. Once and for all.
HS, go play somewhere else for a while.
>>>>Why are all of you so very hateful? ALL of you! I can't believe that all that dribble and name calling comes from fellow skiers.<<<
Just a quote from my post a little higher up in this thread. Where does that hate come from? EpicSki is just a forum after all.
....Ott
Ott-
It comes from the school of Horrid Harrys marketing techniques.
Horrid Harry has decided to take the principles of PMTS skiing and use them to create a new school for teaching an improved version of walking. Here's a promo video. He's expecting improvement in students similar to that experienced in skiing. In fact you can clearly see the similar movement patterns and in the way they use the kinetic chain. Have a look.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqhlQfXUk7w
Wating for links to epic instructors showing their flavor of ski technique.
Waiting for a quote from a current WC skier, that uses this so-called 'Fantom z-turn'.
This site only validates Epic's success. The great are always criticized.
It's so pathetic to see. Congrats to Epic for displaying real professionalism.
A great piece of advice for all of you: GET OVER IT!
I' bought the PMTS books and have been reading them over the summer, but after reading this blog I'm really starting to have second thoughts about doing it. Watching the videos of the PMTS skiers provided in this thread has me worried. They ski so low and all crunched up, and seem to be so far on the back of their skis, just as many here have pointed out. And that Max guy skids his tails out so much at the start of his turns, even though many of the PMTS posters here and over at the PMTS forum seem to think he's one of the better PMTS student skiers. This is stuff I'm trying to eliminate from my skiing, not make worse. I'm starting to think PMTS is a bridge to nowhere. As Sarah would say, "thanks, but no thanks".
Does anyone have any suggestions for a good training program to help my skiing this coming winter? Now that I've seen the light with PMTS, I'm kind of lost with what direction to go.
Signed,
Searching
This site only validates Epic's success. The great are always criticized.
Are you for real? Did you happen to read he heading. "Epic Ski Sucks"
What great guys? ......Horrid Harry?....He ski's like crap. Always has and always will.
It's so pathetic to see. Congrats to Epic for displaying real professionalism.
Whats pathetic, is reading the posts over on the PMtS site. Congrats to Horrid Harry and the lot for their professionalism.
By the way. Great marketing strategy too.
A great piece of advice for all of you: GET OVER IT!
I hope that you mean the PMtS folk. Because as long as you are degrading them there will always be repercussion.
I do love those videos. The ephasize the z-turn, tail skiiding, hnched over look, and all on blue groomers!
by h.harb on Sat Sep 20, 2008 7:52 pm
This is another outlet for the ugliest incarnation of the Epic instructional forums.
Thanks to those who supported PMTS.
Considering that it was HIS students/lemmings that started this forum, I find it quite funny.
These PMtS Fanboys are quite humorous.
"Does anyone have any suggestions for a good training program to help my skiing this coming winter? Now that I've seen the light with PMTS, I'm kind of lost with what direction to go.
Signed,
Searching"
Any of these would be worth considering:
http://www.mahretrainingcenter.com/index.html
https://www.snowbird.com/mtnschool/skitolive.html
https://www.snowbird.com/mtnschool/skitolive.html
http://www.jacksonhole.com/info/ski.ac.steepski.asp
http://www.jacksonhole.com/info/ski.ac.skirace.asp
http://www.mthood.com/race_camps.htm
http://www.skicamps.com/
>>>and all on blue groomers!<<<
???? Did you watch the videos that were linked ????
>>>>Considering that it was HIS students/lemmings that started this forum, I find it quite funny. <<<<
This site was started by VS1. He is PSIA not PMTS.
Searching,
Ask the epic management to give you access to the epic video site. They have a big number of videos of ESA coaches and students.
>>>>What great guys? ......Horrid Harry?....He ski's like crap. Always has and always will.<<<<
Still waiting on video of Bob Barnes-Nolo-BudH-MichaelA-justanotherskipro-Skidude72-Rick for comparison.
>>>>Considering that it was HIS students/lemmings that started this forum, I find it quite funny. <<<<
This site was started by VS1. He is PSIA not PMTS.
So, was Horrid Harry until he was banished.
Try to remember here for a minute. On how avid a supporter VS1 is a supporter of PMtS. Go back and browse through his posts, and I think you might get the general idea.
>>>What great guys? ......Horrid Harry?....He ski's like crap. Always has and always will.<<<<
Still waiting on video of Bob Barnes-Nolo-BudH-MichaelA-justanotherskipro-Skidude72-Rick for comparison.
Still waiting on a video from VS1.
We have already seen enough of the 'Fantom z-turn, taill skidding hunched over' skiing from Horrid Harry, Diane, Max and the lot of PMtS blue groomers. That we don't need to see anymore.
You got video of PMTS skiers on black and double black crud, pow, steeps, bumps.
Time to show your guys,,,,Bob Barnes-Nolo-BudH-MichaelA-justanotherskipro-Skidude72 skiing like terrain.
You got video of PMTS skiers on black and double black crud, pow, steeps, bumps.
Time to show your guys,,,,Bob Barnes-Nolo-BudH-MichaelA-justanotherskipro-Skidude72 skiing like terrain.
Come-on dude! Be for real here. No PMtS'er straddles beyond the boundry's of the ever pristine blue groomers!
How else are the PMtS'ers going to be able to stroke their Harbl?
REAITY CHECK
HH in double black terrain -
www.youtube.com/watch?v=GV9SpXbpwyU
www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxHOdUEbqAg
Max in ungroomed offpiste at 1:30 -
www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqUKjeRTMIs
Just to set the record straight on the VS1 banning:
The final post for which VS1 was issued an infraction was this http://forums.epicski.com/showpost.p...9&postcount=53
Contrary to your allegation that you were banned for calling out ssh on a racist joke, you quoted ssh who posted:
Quote:
Originally Posted by ssh:
"Sure there is. There is humor in everything, if you are willing to see it. As Bill Cosby has said, "You can turn painful situations around through laughter. If you can find humor in anything - even poverty - you can survive it."Laugh. Life is far too short to take seriously."
Then you answered:
Quote:
Originally Posted by volklskier1:
"Isn't there enough to laugh at on these boards by looking at the skiing of the self-anointed expert coaches here and better yet their writing and analysis? And if there is humor in everything and it's really only the humorless that don't get it and all of you mods are really cool folks with a good sense of humor why the constant moderation here; is there a new policy that means that I can now make fun of and mock the truly mediocre skiing of folks such as you and Hombre Rapido? I mean you wouldn't have a problem with it would you? I'll make the posts very funny and instead of being a slur against the disadvantaged it will be comedy directly related to skiing. Give me the word because there is a lot of material here. FYI, I dont think most comedians today view jokes based on stereotypes as acceptable anymore. They're a very cheap and unimaginative laugh In fact on Last comic standing the other night Richard Belzer scolded a contestant for that very thing."
This remark contains uncounted insults against virtually everyone who participates at EpicSki in a constructive manner. This was the fourth infraction by you, VS1 and you had previously been allowed to return after a time-out. On this occasion you were indeed banned.
...Ott
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